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Post by Yanne on Tue 8 Oct 2013 - 14:17

Ok boys post your vote if this trade should be vetoed or not!

Vic and Tom do not post all your bullshit on here. It's a simple veto or no veto!

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1st 2015 - Willy

To Wily
1st 2015 - Tom
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Post by newbs on Tue 8 Oct 2013 - 14:19

I vote to veto
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Re: Tom and willy trade

Post by Yanne on Tue 8 Oct 2013 - 14:26

I vote veto
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Post by The Ghost on Tue 8 Oct 2013 - 18:30

I vote veto
If mark wants to do the trade after looking at the league and talks to willy about the future of the team then I will change my vote at that time but as of now I vote veto

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Re: Tom and willy trade

Post by Admin on Tue 8 Oct 2013 - 20:47

I vote to veto

I think it's only fair to give willy a new, fair, fresh start.
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Re: Tom and willy trade

Post by Guest on Tue 8 Oct 2013 - 23:50

Admin wrote:I vote to veto

I think it's only fair to give willy a new, fair, fresh start.
Hahahaha

If mark is the new buffer then I will let him decide on this trade. As of now I'm not vetoing. And like I said already I will not veto the other trade if it goes through again.

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Post by Admin on Wed 9 Oct 2013 - 12:06

Ang, we respect your decision. Now please decide on the previous trade with willy and I. Either vote veto or no veto as you said you were going to decide once you heard the proposed trades and how they were going to be handled going forward. Just so you know, I'm good with either as Tlusty has been tearing it up! Lol.
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Re: Tom and willy trade

Post by Guest on Wed 9 Oct 2013 - 13:08

That trade has already not gone through. If you wanna make the trade again I won't veto it and apparently neither will newbs

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Post by tventura on Wed 9 Oct 2013 - 13:18

Yanne wrote:Ok boys post your vote if this trade should be vetoed or not!

Vic and Tom do not post all your bullshit on here.  It's a simple veto or no veto!
Vic, I would really appreciate if you leave your comments on "your" trade (that has already been veto-ed a week ago before Mark D even came into the picture) off of this post!  This post is strictly for mine and Willy's trade, thank you!
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Post by Admin on Wed 9 Oct 2013 - 15:40

Ang, the trade has not been vetoed as you said u would wait until we had a willy rule in place and then u would vote. If u want to veto it I am ok with ur decision either way. I promise. No long winded essays like Tom. U have my word. 

Tommy, my trade has not been vetoed as newbs pulled his veto as did Ang apparently. Guys have 7 days to decide which way they would like to vote and says nowhere in the rules that they can't pull their veto and it does not say so for a number of reasons. Please don't try changing the rules as they exist. U have 1 of 9 votes and u do not tell everybody how things will go. U r 1 of 9 guys. Please chech ur arrogance at the door. If newbs or Ang wants to pull their choice not to veto my trade and now to veto it, I am 100% fine with that. Democracy Tom! Unlike other pools, guys in this pool just tell u to fuck off. Now please stop acting like u own guys. Ur 1 of 9 Tom!

Sorry newbs, I told u Tom would get his trade to go through and why it would. Hate to say it but I told u so. Shitty for u brother but as u can see, Tom will do anything to win and that includes fucking anybody to win. 

Tommy, I OWN U BITCH! I love the pathetic desperate tommy trying to beat mr. 7th place guy!
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Re: Tom and willy trade

Post by tventura on Wed 9 Oct 2013 - 16:02

My bad Vic, Angelo and Newbs were flip flopping, Jens finally decided to Veto your trade....I was under the impression it was veto-ed and we were moving on to my trade?

Since you are really on top of this, who veto-ed and did not veto your trade with Willy?

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Post by Admin on Wed 9 Oct 2013 - 16:32

Tommy, relax bro. It's been a bad yr for you I know. U lost money and I won a lot of money this yr. Because I am not like u a PATHETIC/DESPERATE fuck like you trying to fuck everybody and beat mr 7th place guy, I won't ask Ang to clarify his vote. I told u I am ok with keeping O'Reilly and I meant it. I'm just glad everybody got to see what a cry baby u are a how far this has gone cause u want to fuck the entire league and especially mr. 7th place guy. Let's see if u have a little decency and do the same thing I did and allow mark and silly work out Adela with u. Let's see if ur really Willy's little buddy and what kind of Man U really are.

Oh, Let me tell u why I own u and remember it so I don't have to repeat myself

1) your text inspired me to go to the casino and win $6700
2) I won $70 last yr and you lost $110 or $90 (whatever it was u lost)
3) I won the playoff pool again even after u pulled the whole joe Pavelski debacle. Extremely pathetic and desperate. Oh ya, u still lost
4) u have already lost $30 the 1st week of the yr! 

Do u see now why.........

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Re: Tom and willy trade

Post by Guest on Wed 9 Oct 2013 - 19:38

As far as im concerned that trade did not go through. Its terible but I am not vetoing the trade if willy wants it. Speak up willy!

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Re: Tom and willy trade

Post by newbs on Wed 9 Oct 2013 - 21:28

As far as concerned both these deals are vetoed. If you want them start negotiations with willy again. Then the deal gets ran by mark. If anybody doesn't think this is fair I find it laughable. Tom you continue to say how your deal is fine, and everyone continues to laugh. The deal is a joke. It's fucking clear the deal does nothing for willy. It was a bullshit move and I agree it's Willys fault for accepting it. If this league lacks the individuals with enough sack and fucking foresight to see that this is a complete bullshit deal and veto the fucking trade, oh well. You can through the last shovel of dirt on Willys team. The move to adding mark is one trade to late. I find it hilarious that if you think this is so unfair and you are getting a bad deal here. You are the two time defending champ and you need to rob a senior citizen. I'm calling you on it now.... If you think this deal is fair send it to mark. Somehow willy has it in his head he could beat you. I can only imagine this conversation and how you flamed that fire. Willy was clearly in a fragile state and you removed the patch from his ass and raped him again. I can tell you right now you finish ahead of willy. There is not a doubt in my mind. Willy clearly is rebuilding his team, having dealt every single star. It makes ZERO fucking sense to make this deal for a late 1st round pick and a 2 way D like nurse for a SHOT Mcdavid or if all fails you end up with Barzal. The funny thing is everyone in this league was so quick to veto the Vic deal but to me this is way more destructive to willy. Losing an absolute star like mcdavid or even Barzal is much worse then what he was losing in the Vic deal. It's embarrassing that the champ has to sodomize a guy that clearly has lost touch with his team and common sense. It's even more embarrassing for the league to allow it to happen. This trade to me is worse then the Vic deal. The funny thing is I offered willy way more a few weeks ago, and he turned it down saying he would not move his first in 15. I don't know what happened to Willy over those horrible few days but two very bad decisions were made. Tom if you think you are being hard done by or not getting a fair shake I find that disturbing. You know what this deal will do to Willys team. Not one other GM in the league makes this deal if they are in Willys spot. Hence why every single GM should veto this bullshit deal.
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Post by Admin on Wed 9 Oct 2013 - 22:30

Ang, I will not try to make this trade with Willy again. Like I have said "I am ok with keeping O'Reilly, just like I was ok when you guys vetoed my Thomas/Miller trade, just like I told you I would have been good if you guys tried vetoing that Tavares trade like you wanted to at Spitfire and Firkin." Ang, I know I may rub people the wrong way some time, but at least I don't lie and say how they r protecting their little buddy Willy and then go make a trade like this after vetoing mine. I'm good with running my trade through both Mark and Willy eventhough I probably wouldn't do it as we can all see what a shit bag Tlusty is. I know what I have with O'Reilly so in essence it would be Brodin the 2 1st rd'ers for O'Reilly a 3rd, 4th, and 5th. 

We ALL see how pathetic Tom is. I told you that I love that Tom made this trade cause it would show what Tom was all about. I texted this to him when he made the trade. It shows just how pathetic and desperate he looks when Mark himself texted this to me....

WHT was my dad thinking! Might be one of the worst trades of all time. Giving up on the chance at getting a generational phenom in mcdavid. 
I refuse to be like Tom. He is a pathetic and desperate individual when it comes to hockey pools. I'm just happy people are seeing the true Tom Ventura trying to desperately use the angle of 'THE CHANCE AT MCDAVID'. 

I think it was whitey who said, we r in this league to have fun and not to rob other people. What of you think of your good buddy now Whitey and what he has done to Willy? Once again, I am good with the veto. You think Tom is? Tom continues to conduct himself in such a low life manner. He has no class. Don't get me wrong, I knew his true colors would shine through. It was only a matter of time.  I mean who vetoes one trade, and then makes a much worse trade, with the same guy, two days later. Who does that? We know now.

Newbs, you're one of the few guys here who knows none of us (other than Jens - sorry about that lol) and goes based on what you see. I am 100% fine with my veto with Willy and will not bitch and complain about it. As you can see, Tom is not. I feel bad for you cause you have done everything fair and square to turn around that train wreck of a team you inherited, and now you get fucked. Not fair bro!  The guy who finishes first tries justifying the trade by saying 'THE CHANCE AT MCDAVID' What a low life!

U SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF TOM!
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Re: Tom and willy trade

Post by Guest on Wed 9 Oct 2013 - 23:34

What is going on here? Does Willy want to make these trades or not? I see he just posted an injury sub. Willy!

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Re: Tom and willy trade

Post by Guest on Thu 10 Oct 2013 - 14:10

As much as I don't like this trade, it's not a trade that I can veto.
As much as you would all like to believe, Willy is not guaranteed last place in 2 years, which means he isn't guaranteed McDavid.
Personally, if I had to take either side, I would want to be on the receiving end, getting Willy's pick, but its a chance that Tom is taking.
Tom has also given up on Nurse, a top end D man with much upside on the Oilers.
Having finished in the top 3 the 1st 2 yrs, Tom is my competition. As much as I don't want him to get MCDavid, which isn't guaranteed, I can't veto the trade.
This trade does NOT even compare to the trade Vic made with Willy! I am in agreement that Willy's transactions be monitored by Mark.

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Post by tventura on Thu 10 Oct 2013 - 16:49

Newbs – once again I respect your decision and thoughts!



 

All we (Matt and I) are asking is to respect the process and follow the process, we have rules in place!  7 out of 7 people thought Vic’s trade with Willy was - as per our FHCL rules *SOMETHING RIDICULOUS* and it was “VETO-ED QUICKLY”.  Everyone and I mean EVERYONE balked at the Willy\Vic trade (yes Jens, Angelo and News included).  Four days later after discussions about Willy’s 1st in 15 started via text (between ME, NEWBS, VIC, JENS and Willy) trade negotiations started with Willy (I specifically told Willy, go get the best offer from those guys ESPECAILLY VIC!  Vic and Willy spoke about swapping 1st rounders in 2015 LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL…Vic I will bet you $20 you beat Willy in pts next year (yeah that’s what I thought, nice offer fuck-face and I’m sure you would defend that trade somehow if Willy ended up taking it).  I guess what I’m saying is this, “I would be a FUCKING IDIOT not to get into negotiations with Willy’s 1st in 15, a pick that I believe will be top 3” when Vic, Newbs and Jens are also trying to acquire the pick!!! 



 


 

As for the Vic\Willy trade as I told Willy on MANY, MANY, MANY occasions never make a HUGE trade like this without getting a second opinion (Mark, Jens or even me) and/or get multiple offers.  BECAUSE I CAN ASSURE YOU IF MATT AND I KNEW A BRODIN, TOFFOLI, TLUSTY AND “TWO” 1st ROUNDERS PACKAGE (that I’m pretty fucking sure will be 2 top 6 picks this year) WAS UP FOR GRABS THERE IS NO WAY IN FUCKING HELL CHILLY WILLY WOULD HAVE TAKEN THAT HORRIBLE DEAL WITH VIC, our package would at least give him a 1st rounder back on top of that HORRIBLE package Vic gave him!  I promise you the Vic/Willy trade would have never happened if we knew that package was available!  I’ve raised the value of players for Willy on “MANY” occasions by getting in on the negotiations, you can even ask Willy that!  But once again this should be a non-issue because 7 out of 7 GM’s veto-ed it!



 

So in the end Willy ended up going with the deal that Matt and I gave him AND ONLY AFTER THAT…GM’s Angelo and Newbs discussed pulling back the Vic/Willy veto?  Once again respect the process, you guys want to un-veto a trade because of a different trade that happens 4 days later REALLY???  How is that right, how is that fair?  Newbs I don’t mean to sound like an ass but you had a chance to get Willy’s 1st rounder also, sour grapes maybe/maybe not!  That being said, AGAIN we are asking to respect the process, the thought of changing your vote because of a different trade is RIDICULOUS!  What is even more RIDICULOUS is Jens pulling off 2 similar trades (not one but TWO) in the WFHL for HIGH 1st ROUNDERS and instantly veto-ing my trade lolololol – talk about the height of hypocrisy.  Is anyone seeing where I’m coming from regarding a fair shake? 


1)    Jens pulls 2 similar trades in the greek pool but veto’s mine


2)    Ang and Newbs flip flop about veto-ing the Vic deal “IF” my deal goes through (yeah that is fair)


3)    Newbs, Vic and Jens losing out on the 2015 Willy 1st round pick sweepstakes – INSTANT VETO FROM ALL THREE OF THEM!



 

Newbs - The thought of a “chance” at the #1 pick in 15 vs TWO GUARENTEED top 6 picks in 14 (plus, plus, plus), please Newbs, give your head a shake!  And once again it is a 1st round pick NOT CONNER MCDAVID, I WILL SAY IT AGAIN AND AGAIN (a chance at, a gamble for McDavid)!!!  No gamble on the 2 top 6 six picks in 2014, THAT IS 2 TOP 6 PICKS PLAIN AND SIMPLE (oh plus Brodin, Toffoli and Tlusty)!



 


 

Vic - if your trade gets veto-ed by the league, feel free to run it by Mark and see if he wants it!  Why should I run my trade by Mark if the league doesn’t veto it???  Once again respect the process and then we (Willy, Matt and myself) can decide how we let the cards fall…



 

One last thing Newbs, you never met me or Vic before – of the 20 or so guys in all three of our keeper leagues (WHP, WFHL, FHCL), who know Vic and I both “very well” take a poll to see how many guys (many who used to be in the FHCL and are no longer for different reasons) respect me and how many respect Vic!  Then you tell me who the scumbag is! 



 

PS – ROB HALLETT THANK YOU FOR YOUR HONEST AND NON-BIAS OPINION!!! 
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Post by Guest on Thu 10 Oct 2013 - 18:12

ok fuckers........................how can you VETO a trade that involves swapping 2 first round picks??

in order to get the lower pick you must pay a higher price.

and that higher price is a player that was picked 7th overall (has to mean something??) in the NHL and selected in the 4th round in our league/pool.

Darnell Nurse is NOT NEARLY ENOUGH of a payment to get that lottery pick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




but.................is this trade one that you can VETO??

if you guys think you can VETO this trade, I would like to look back and look at all the other horrible trades that were made that no one said a word on.

TERRIBLE TRADE.......................but I think it should be allowed.

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Post by Yanne on Thu 10 Oct 2013 - 20:06

Ok boys here's my take on the whole Willy fiasco!!

It all starts off with Willy in year 3 deciding to dump all his best players: Stamkos, Staal, Toews, Suter, Shattenkirk etc. which in everyone's eyes meant a rebuild! Willy was hovering around 4th place the first two years and I agreed that I didn't think he had what it took to win but I definitely would not have traded the players he traded.

I call him and plead with him on the phone and forum over and over to quit trading, he doesn't listen. He ends up being involved in 17 of 22 trades made in season 3.

Then he gets a hard on for O'Reilly. I fight with him for months not to overpay for O'Reilly but he doesn't listen. Then he makes an absolute terrible trade. I get two texts in the middle of the night from Matt Bailie and Brian White saying we have to boot Willy out of the league. I still have the texts.

A veto vote follows and it's unanimous willy got dealt with. When I called Willy and asked him why he would make this trade, he said he thought O'Reilly was an 80 point player. He proceeded to tell me he didn't like Brodin, Toffoli or Tlusty anymore! Hahaha
I explained to him with all his picks the 3rd, 4th and 5th Vic gave him meant nothing. I asked him how it helped his future and he didn't have an answer. Willy was just trading to trade with reason or rhyme!! He already has a problem next year with all his picks.

As per usual Vic and Tom were arguing over the trade, then Newbs texted willy he would target his 1st pick in 2015 since he was fucking up his franchise. Vic and Tom also joked that they would send there best offer too. The following day I called Willy and told him he better not trade his first in 15 as Mcdavid and Barzal were going to be superstars!

I never once made an offer for the 15 Tom you rat fuck!! I pleaded with Willy to not trade it and he told me he wouldn't!! But he bullshited me!

Willy proceeded to trade with Tom and that's when I lost my mind and called Mark and said Willy is destroying the league and you need to monitor his trades. Mark agreed to this.

Tom laughed at Vic's offer of swapping1st round picks but I would rather Vic's 1st in 15 then toms 1st and Nurse!!! Vic will be 3rd or 4th last.

Tom said willy is bottom 3 but would bet Vic that Vic's team would be ahead in the standings. So who is willy going to beat besides Newbs? Tom, Ang, Rob, Lou, Brian or me???

The fact that willy made two terrible moves in a matter of 3 days shows they should both be vetoed and mark should monitor his trades. But Tom isn't dumb and doesn't want mark looking at his trade cuz it's terrible!!!

Tom called me a hypocrite but I never made a trade with guys who were being threatened to get kicked out of the league. There has been many bad trades made where I don't say a word. Tom you voted to veto the Thomas trade with Vic but traded for him the same year in the WFHL, does that make you a hypocrite?

If you all agree this trade is awesome for willy going forward I'm ok with that too but I will never vote for another veto again and willy can manage his team the way he wants! No point in bringing in Mark cuz Willy is fucked for a very long time!! He can keep trading like a wild man!

A rebuilding teams biggest asset is the 1st overall pick! Willy just tried trading his 1st in 14 +++ for Oreilly or whoever goes 2nd overall and his 1st in 15 for Mcdavid or Barzal. How bad would that look???

Lou would you trade Mackinnon or even Barkov for toms 1st 15 and Nurse??

Below is a list if the top 2 players from every draft for the last 10 years and I through in guys that scouts raved about that went 3rd. Don't forget mcdavid is the bet prospect the world has seen since Crosby!!!

2003
1 fleury
2 E. Stalk

2004
Ovie
Malkin

2005
Crosby
Ryan

2006
1. Johnson
The guys with high upside were
Toews
Backstrom
Kessel

2007
Kane
JVR

2008
Stamkos
Doughty

2009
Tavares
Hedman
Duchene

2010
Hall
Seguin

2011
RNH
Landeskog
Huberdeau - had off the charts talent they said

2012
Yakupov
Murray
Galchenyuk - had off the charts talent

2013
Mac
Barkov
Drouin

Tom speaks about respecting the process but the reason Mark was brought in was because of these two trades, so they should be investigated.

Now all this being said I still don't blame Tom and Vic because they did what anyone would do but you can't say these trades are fair and best for willy's team going forward.

One last thing, Tom you chirp me but tell me what the fair thing to do is, I'm trying to be fair! So what should be done??
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Post by Guest on Thu 10 Oct 2013 - 21:01

I hope tom doesnt get this pick!!!!! I really dont!
For if he does.........he might win this league for the next 10 years.



But........here is the question:

Would anyone be asking to veto this trade had vic not tried to rap the senile old man before this trade was made???


Rememer, i really dont want tom getting this pick. The league would be much better off if willy kept these picks and picked the stars that fall into his lap by default.

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Post by Yanne on Thu 10 Oct 2013 - 21:07

That's the whole point Lou, two bad trades within 3 days, that's the whole problem and why they should both be vetoed or at least reviewed by Mark!!

He's making trades without reason or rhyme.

People wanted him kicked out and then he makes this trade!! Is that not enough evidence!
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Post by Admin on Thu 10 Oct 2013 - 22:43

Lou, we all know, but won't say, if u put the two trades next to each other, without the name Vic or Tom involved, we all know what trade would b looked at as being worse. U talk about how nurse went 7th overall.

Let's look at it this way, nurse went 7th overall and didn't hear his name called until the 36th selection in the fhcl draft. That's how good u and the rest of the league thought he was 3 months ago. Since then, the only thing nurse has proven that he deserves a higher selection is get sent back down to juniors! Oh ya, and with the 8th or 9th selection bickell and tlusty were selected. So your saying tlusty/bickell and 36th pick nurse equals mcdavid. I love this shit and showing how corrupt u fucks r! I told u Jens and Newbs. Hey whitey, what do u think about ur buddy Tom now. I see u vetoed the trade. U see I have had no issues with ur veto yet Tom thinks ur idea to allow mark to look over both r trades r not going over well with one guy! It's the guy that wants to fuck everybody plus his good buddy willy! I love the pathetic desperate fuck!

Hey tommy,

I OWN UR PATHETIC ASS!

Lou or rob, let me know when u want to bet Reinhart vs mcdavid 10 yrs. Renember, my trade is worse eventhough I'm giving willy 2 picks higher than nurse went and o'reilly who is worth more than the 8th overall selection! Way more! I love making u two look stupid! It is pretty easy though.
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